June 03, 2006

IMHO REDUX

i posted this originally on 5/20/04, and am posting it again in response to a conversation / argument i had the other day. and because the issue's in the news again -- bush wanting an amendment banning gay marriage. pfffffft.

the gay marriage "thing" is a big news item again lately. and jax wrote about a possible suicide in our area where rumors are flying at the high school that the boy was questioning his sexuality and worried that "god wouldn't love him." now, i do NOT know anything at all about this boy at the high school, but it just got me thinking about this whole thing again. i'm gonna lay it all out for you. my thoughts. MY beliefs.

#1. homosexuality has always been. always will be. hear me again. there will ALWAYS be a certain percentage of the human race that are homosexual. always.

#2. homosexuality DOES NOT EQUAL pedophilia. there are heterosexual pedophiles, homosexual pedophiles, priest pedophiles, teacher pedophiles, and garbage collector pedophiles. the adjective has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the noun. non-predator homosexuals (just like non-predator heterosexuals) want other homosexuals. tell me you haven't heard a hetero guy say something "admiring" about a lesbian. most people shrug it off. no big deal. but if a homosexual says the same thing about a hetero, boy oh boy, does the crap fly. this is not predatory behavior, people. get over it. nobody's trying to recruit straight people over to the other side.

#3. this is the big one for me. if you accept that there will be a certain number of human beings who will be homosexual (#1) and that homosexuals are not predatory by nature (#2) [if you don't accept these premises, you're pretty much hopeless. and brain dead. in my humble opinion.] given these FACTS -- oh yes they are FACTS - how can we say to a human being: if you realize that you are homosexual, understand that you will never have the right to love and commit to another homosexual person in the same way that WE can. WE are normal. YOU are a horrible mistake. YOU must live unloved and unfulfilled as a human being. live in OUR world. in OUR WORLD, only heterosexuals may marry. that's OUR sacred right. i don't know about you - but *i* believe that there's room for all kinds of people.

so YOU have a choice. two alternatives.

ONE: you do not accept facts. therefore - you are ignorant.

TWO: if you accept the facts, but believe that marriage is only for heterosexuals, you're just a mean, close-minded bastard. allowing homosexuals to marry doesn't demean you or your marriage. your position against gay marriage demeans you.

and this: don't tell me what your bible/priest/dogma/religion tells you. you need to accept the FACT that we are not a christian, jewish, muslim, wiccan, satanist - whatever you are - nation. that is what separation of church and state means.

imho.

edit: i see that the comments are getting into religion.

there are differences between a religious marriage and a legally sanctioned marriage. religious marriages are recognized legally, but the converse is not necessarily true. look at the catholic sacrament of marriage. there are very specific values and steps that must be accomplished in order to be married in the catholic sense. and the legal concept of divorce is not recognized in the catholic church. unless a catholic marriage has been annulled, it cannot be dissolved.

why is it so hard to distinguish between the two? why cannot homosexuals be married legally without it "demeaning" the sacrament of the catholic church. or any other church's belief system. if a couple does not meet the criteria of a religious marriage -- fine. they're not asking for that. neither did we.

i don't see a problem with the dichotomy. maybe that's just me. a lapsed catholic. one who left the church when a MAN (ok, a priest) denied my little sister absolution at confession because in the eyes of the catholic church, our mother and her husband were still married to their first spouses (they only went through LEGAL divorces). what that had to do with my sister's prayer for absolution, i'll NEVER understand. i guess this guy misinterpreted some scripture? could this be possible? so don't TELL ME WHAT YOUR BIBLE SAYS. i don't care what some men say jesus told them. i don't care. i don't believe jesus was the son of god. i don't deny you the right to your religious version of marriage -- as long as you're not hurting anybody. get your religious views out of my life.

but there MUST be a legal institution of marriage. maybe if the majority of people in this MOSTLY CHRISTIAN nation behaved in a christian manner regarding marriage and offspring, the law wouldn't have to be involved. cuz i don't think that the high divorce rate can be linked to only non-christians. i'm just guessing here -- there are a hell of a lot of christians not behaving very christ-like in their divorce and child-support proceedings. so my advice here to religious leaders: clean your own house before you come to MINE and tell ME what's wrong in MY HOUSE.

so don't talk to me about RELIGION. talk to me about the law. and the values of a compassionate, accepting, LOVING culture that we pretend to be. gah.

Posted by Stacey at June 3, 2006 02:42 PM
Comments

I cannot believe this argument is still going on in 2006. And it will still be going on in 2026 more than likely and I will still be shaking my head if I haven't said the immortal words "I can pass this guy..." Damn ignorant people. And so on.

Posted by: Keri at June 3, 2006 11:12 PM

OMD...If I didn't ALREADY love you Mz. Stacey I would TOTALLY LOVE YOU NOW!

What an AWESOME POST! Love it, love it, love it. I was going to quote bits and pieces that I really liked in my comments but I'd have to copy/paste the entire damn thing in the comments box which just seems so...well...uh...repetitive.

BRAVO!

Damn you rock my world!

Posted by: KathyHowe at June 4, 2006 12:33 PM

Stacey, you fabulous human being, you!!!

I hadn't "met" you when you originally posted this. This just makes me love you more!!! The last few days I've consciously been trying to ignore Bush's comments, because it just hurts and depresses me. I am so tired of being second class. It's so weird to me, because I used to be married to a man, and therefore normal, with all rights etc. Suddenly I'm denied all kinds of things, simply because I am being truthfull to myself (finally!) and living life as I was born to.

As hurt and sad as I can get, people like you make all the difference in the world. You have no idea how posts like yours can make a person feel. Thank you and I love you!

Posted by: moonandsun03 at June 5, 2006 12:57 PM